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Q & A with Carolyn McCulley January 8, 2010

Carolyn McCulley is the author of two books, "Radical Womanhood: Feminine Faith in a Feminist World" (Moody Publishers, 2008) and "Did I Kiss Marriage Goodbye? Trusting God with a Hope Deferred" (Crossway, 2004). McCulley also maintains a blog, Radical Womanhood and is a frequent conference speaker and is a contributor to "Sex and the Supremacy of Christ," edited by John Piper and Justin Taylor (Crossway, 2005).

Where are you from and what is your current vocation?

I grew up in the Washington, D.C., area as a military brat. I studied broadcast journalism at the University of Maryland and I am fortunate to still be working in media years later. I also received a certification in women's studies from the University of Maryland, which was part of the reason I eventually wrote "Radical Womanhood."

What is the premise of your book, "Radical Womanhood?"

The subtitle is "Feminine Faith in a Feminist World." It's the book I wish I had received as a new believer. I didn't become a Christian until I was 30, though my mother did raise me in the church. I went to mass, but I didn't have ears for the Gospel until the Lord sovereignly regenerated me as an adult.

Until that time, I lived like a Cosmopolitan feminist - not too politically active, but absorbing all the feminist messages of women's media. So when I became a Christian and was added to a Bible-believing, biblical-manhood-and-womanhood-preaching church, you can bet I was confused! I wanted someone to explain to me the feminist assumptions I had, where they came from, and why they contrasted with Scripture.

Though I found many useful books along the way, I never found one just like this one: a mixture of history, Bible teaching and narrative stories of women who found God to be faithful to His Word, presented in non-academic, accessible language.

The premise, therefore, is that if women understand the profound change in our culture that can be traced back to the founding of our nation, they will be better equipped to understand the purposes of God's design. To be a truly biblical woman in our modern world is the radical act, in my opinion.

What is the biggest impact of feminism that you have seen in the church?

There are so many effects that it would be hard to narrow it to just one. "Radical Womanhood" examines the impact on relationships between men and women, on motherhood, on female sexuality, on the home and more.

But I would say the most serious impact has been the undermining of Scriptural authority. The very first document issued by self-identified feminists in the United States was the Declaration of Sentiments, issued in 1848 at the Seneca Falls Convention. In it these women (and a few men) named a number of offensive elements of current society, among them the church. It stated:

"The history of mankind is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations on the part of man toward woman, having in direct object the establishment of an absolute tyranny over her. ... He allows her in Church as well as State, but a subordinate position, claiming Apostolic authority for her exclusion from the ministry, and, with some exceptions, from any public participation in the affairs of the Church."

Therefore, it's not surprising that the final resolution of this declaration included a demand "for the overthrow of the monopoly of the pulpit." The majority of feminist leaders since then, including one of the founders of the Seneca Falls Convention, have gutted Scriptural authority or rejected it all together in pursuit of more pagan beliefs.

How has feminism affected the next generation of men and women?

By next, I assume you mean the rising generation. One of the most profound ways it has affected young adults is in the presentation of what is normative. Most of the young women I speak to have no idea about what happened in the feminist movement. They don't know there were three waves (the second wave was the women's liberation movement of the 1960s and 1970s, but that's not the only one), and because of that, they are unaware of the third wave that affects them now.

The third wave began in the 1990s as a rejection of the victim ideology of the second wave, which did briefly align with evangelicals in the anti-pornography movement. The daughters of second-wavers rejected this mentality and instead embraced a "pro-porn, pro-sex" ideology that has created the hyper-aggressive female sexuality that we live amongst today. Because it's not a politically visible movement, many people are unaware of it, but not of its effects.

Third-wave feminism has contributed to the pornographication of our culture, from the immodesty of women's fashions and behavior, to the celebration of women's immorality in shows like Sex and the City and Girls Gone Wild, and so on. It is also decidedly anti-family and pro-pansexuality.

This affects both young men and women in widespread ways, from the hook-up culture to gender identity confusion.

What do people training for ministry need to be aware of when they are helping people think biblically through manhood and womanhood?

I think it is helpful to know how we got to where we are in our culture and to be able to explain that to others. Of course, the Word of God is all that is necessary to convict and convert people. But for those who oppose the authority of Scripture on this topic, I believe it is quite illuminating for them to understand the motivations behind certain aspects of the feminist movement.

To be able to explain, for example, Margaret Sanger's embrace of eugenics, her racism, her harsh attitude toward children and her lethal philosophies that are part of Planned Parenthood's legacy as their founder can open someone's eyes to the motives behind this pro-abortion business.

To be able to understand the deep impact of Social Darwinism and the Industrial Revolution on our concept of the home can be helpful to someone who accepts the 20th century's sea change of the home once being a place of productivity and now being a place of consumption. To know that helps women, especially, to understand why the home - or the private sphere, as I like to refer to it - is so important in the biblical framework.

But I think the most important thing for people in ministry to understand is that the seeds of feminism lie in all of our hearts. Apart from the grace of God, we are each rebels before God's authority. Feminism is just another expression of that indwelling rebellion.

Therefore, our enemies are not the flesh-and-blood feminists, but the enemies listed in Scripture - our sin; our worldly, flesh-driven lusts; and our spiritual adversary. We must condemn the ideas but be merciful to those in captivity to them. I am appalled by Margaret Sanger's ideas and life, but if the Lord had not revealed Himself to me, I would be walking in lock-step with her philosophies.

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SBTS profs examine relationship between Trinity and gender September 16, 2009

The doctrine of the Trinity has been the topic of much debate among evangelicals in recent years, and this year is no different.

A full room of students, faculty, and staff gathered in Heritage Hall at The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary on Sept. 9 to hear Bruce Ware and Gregg Allison discuss the recent book by Millard Erickson, Who's Tampering With The Trinity?: An Assessment of the Subordination Debate.

In the book, Erickson interacts with many theologians regarding the doctrine of the Trinity, including Ware and Wayne Grudem. In interacting with Ware and Grudem, Erickson argues for an incarnational understanding of the Son's submission to the Father.

The event was co-sponsored by the School of Church Ministries at Southern and The Council on Biblical Manhood and Womanhood. Randy Stinson, Dean of the School of Church Ministries and President of CBMW, moderated the discussion. Ware and Allison serve as professors of Christian theology at Southern Seminary.

Ware provided a brief overview of the two views on the Trinity. The complementarian view, which argues that there is an eternal structure of authority and submission within the Godhead, is the biblical view which the church has traditionally held, he said.

"The question is whether or not the relationship of authority and submission is one that characterizes the relationship of the Father and the Son eternally, or was it just missional or incarnational?" Ware said.

"What we see in the incarnation is an instance of what is true eternally. The Son was always the Son of the Father. This reflects the broader eternal pattern of authority and submission."

Erickson argues that the submission of the Son to the Father is merely true in the incarnation of Christ. In eternity past there was no authority and submission relationship and in eternity future there will be no authority and submission relationship. His view more or less represents that of most egalitarian Christians.

Both sides claim that the other view is heresy, Ware pointed out, a claim that itself renders the issue as being extremely serious.

Erickson charges Ware with holding a form of Arianism, an early church heresy which says that the Son is not of the same essence as the Father. This is a charge that Ware takes very seriously.

But the charges against Erickson, and others, are just as severe, Ware said. Arguing that there is no distinction among the three persons of the Trinity as Erickson does is akin to Unitarianism or, at best, the heresy of modalism, Ware said.

"God is simply three names, not three beings or person specific properties," Ware said. "There have to be distinguishing properties; otherwise we just have three names. Something has to distinguish the Father from the Son, and the Son from the Holy Spirit."

Historical Evidence for Orthodox View of the Trinity

Both egalitarians and complementarians claim that church history validates their particular view. Allison, who is writing a massive historical theology, said that the fathers of the early church clearly held to the view that complementarians assert today.

"Overwhelmingly the church has affirmed what we affirm," Allison said. "God is three persons, equal in essence, nature, and attributes," Allison said.

Allison said that Erickson and others paint church history with a broad brush. But even before the councils of Nicea and Constantinople, the church held to an orthodox rendering of the Trinity. Polycarp's prayer, when he was being martyred, modeled a Trinitarian understanding of God, Allison said.

Because the early church did not specifically discuss authority and submission in their teaching on the Trinity, Erickson takes this as the early church fathers not holding to authority and submission, Allison said. But the fathers saw authority and submission as so natural that they did not have to make it explicit in their writings, he said.

Biblical Evidence

In Ephesians 1:9, Ware argued that the phrase "he purposed in him" is saying something important about the Trinity.

"Erickson wants to say the whole Trinity decides this," Ware said, "but this is not reversible. It is not collective of the Trinity. The Father chose us in Christ. We see the role of the Father is the architect and designer who wills what will come to pass."

Creation also reveals something that is done in eternity past, he said: Genesis 1 and John 1 reveal that God creates through the agency of the Son.

"We also see Christ's submission in eternity future," Ware said.  "Revelation 1:1 indicates there is an ongoing relationship of authority that the Father has over the Son.

There is not a single instance in the Bible where the Father carries out the will of the Son. It is not reciprocal. If we say it is not really this way, then we don't really know God's revelation."

Erickson would say that these texts don't prove what we think they do, Ware said.  He sees the Father's choosing in Ephesians 1 as having no particular significance; rather Erickson implies that there is a mutuality of authority throughout. He asserts that the Spirit is sent from the Son and the Father in various instances in the Bible.

Ware cautioned Christians to read these texts carefully, adding that the book of Acts tells us that the Son received from the Father the gift of the Spirit.

Erickson gives biblical support of his view, said Allison. Another passage that talks about the Son submitting to the Father is 1 Corinthians 7:24-28. But Erickson would say that there are other interpretations of this passage, Allison points out. Citing John Calvin and Charles Hodge as allies, Erickson states that this passage gives us a view of Christ, not necessarily a view of Christ's relationship to the Father.

"Erickson is admitting that our interpretation of this passage is more obvious than Hodge's, but Hodge's interpretation fits in better with this idea of mutual submission and authority, which is Erickson's point," said Allison.

Ware added that Erickson's most convincing use of Scripture is his interpretation of Philippians 2. Erickson claims that Christ took on a role of servitude and obedience that he had not exercised before.

"Paul is not merely referring to servitude per se," Ware said. "It is servitude as a man."

Gender Debate

A correct understanding of the Trinity has implications for the home and the church, both theologians pointed out. Ware said that within manhood and womanhood we see equality of essence, but differentiation of roles, as evidenced in the Godhead.

According to Ware, the implication of the complementarian position of the Trinity is that roles and relationships are marked by authority and submission.

"It would only make sense that in creating man and woman in his image, God is creating them within a structure of authority and submission," Ware said, "We see Paul correlating these things, in 1 Corinthians 11:3, by grounding all other relationships of headship and submission with the ultimate relationship of the Father and the Son."

"It is just as Godlike to submit with joy and gladness to rightful authority, as it is Godlike to exert wise and beneficial, rightful authority. And this does not simply apply to male/female relationships. This applies to any relationship where authority and submission are being played out."

Pastoral Implications

Allison encouraged pastors to teach doctrine of the Trinity within their local congregations. Allison said he is surprised how few students have heard messages on this prior to coming to seminary.

"God has given us adequate revelation and we are morally bound to teach and preach what God has revealed. This has implications for the home and the order of the church," he said.

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